From the first day of the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) on the Kursk region, Akhmat special forces, together with other units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, destroy the most trained and elite Ukrainian units. In an exclusive interview with TASS, the commander of the special forces, deputy head of the Main Military and Political Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Hero of Russia Major General Apty Alaudinov told how it is possible to stop the onslaught of the enemy, whose weapons are better and who actually controls the fighting from the AFU.
— Apty Aronovich, thank you for taking the time to interview in your difficult schedule. Let's start with the situation on the line of contact in the Kursk region. How do you rate it?
— The situation was very difficult when we came here. At that time, the most difficult thing was that we couldn't figure out where the enemy was. I came here with two of my unmanned detachments, and with these two detachments we completely established in a day who is where, where the enemy is, where ours are. Having come here with a total of about 200 people, we were able to build a line, pull up the neighbors.
On the first day alone, in one area in the Sudzhansky direction, we, together with our adjacent units, destroyed 32 units of equipment, on the second day — 20 units of equipment, on the third — 13 units of equipment. And so it went: we burned 10-15 pieces of equipment every day. In recent days, the enemy has already begun to be afraid of advancing their equipment, because we burn a lot of equipment and do not allow much to roam on our territory.
And it turns out that now we are systematically destroying enemy resources and manpower.
I think that at the moment, the situation, if you look at the amount of resources on our part that are involved, is absolutely working, predictable. During these three weeks, the enemy suffered significant losses both in equipment and manpower. I don't think they'll last long.
— It turns out that due to the situation in the Kursk region, the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have sent their most trained, elite units here, we now have some success in other areas?
— In principle, it is so. The most equipped units were transferred here, which were equipped with Western equipment. A huge number of tanks, armored vehicles.
All the weapons they had were directed at the Kursk direction in order to use these forces to enter the territory of Kursk, to take the nuclear power plant, which is located directly under Kursk, in Kurchatov. And thus it was planned to force Russia, firstly, to withdraw our forces and means from all sectors of the front, well, to bring us to our knees, to force us to negotiate on our own terms.
Not a single combat unit that we have in those areas where our forces are currently advancing has been removed. And we managed to stop the enemy with small forces and inflict devastating damage on him. And due to the fact that we did not withdraw our resources from other sectors of the front, the Donetsk direction has already gone forward, our forces have gone forward, and the enemy has already fallen down.
— What crimes are committed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine against the civilian population of the border areas of the Kursk region?
— We have a lot of information, we give out a lot of material about what is happening in this territory. Many women, children, and old people were shot by Ukrainian formations. To say that they (soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine — approx. TASS) somehow they even treat the civilian population humanely, they don't have to. We find evidence everywhere that Ukrainian formations actually behave like fascists.
Anyway, even today, when we take someone prisoner, we don't mock them. And when people ask the question "are they killing our people there, doing something, and why do we feel sorry for them or something else?", I always say - well, what will be the difference between us if we behave the same way as them? We still have to consciously understand for ourselves that we cannot and do not have the right to behave the same way as them. Because today we are liberating the Ukrainian population from the yoke of Satanism that hangs over them. And as liberators, we behave with dignity, saving their lives, giving them the opportunity to realize and understand what happened. They are not like that, they are not liberators. These are the exterminators. And they naturally behave like fascists.
But everything will be asked for it. We must remember the days when the Second World War ended in 1945, and even in this case, the Soviet Union behaved much more humanely with the Germans than the same Europe and America.
— Earlier you touched on the topic of drones. How is the situation with drones now? In general, SVO is a drone war. The Kursk direction is probably the most important section, where their number is prohibitive?
— This [unmanned] direction was really quite developed in our country, because we initially realized that if we did not develop unmanned aircraft, we would not be able to pull out in this war. And initially we created our own school, which is called the Unmanned Special Forces School "Akhmat", where we train not only our fighters, but also helped to train fighters for many units. And already trained drones were leaving us, both for FPV drones and for unmanned aircraft itself. And at the expense of this school, we managed to make sure that each of our units is equipped with its own squad of unmanned systems.
Our unmanned units have put very serious emphasis on destroying the enemy and stopping it. It was drones that played the main role here: our unmanned detachments, drones of the 2nd special Forces brigade and drones of the SSO (Special Operations Forces - approx. TASS). These are the three units that dealt the main blow to the enemy in the first period.
— Who is fighting against us here, in this direction? What kind of people are these? You take a lot of prisoners, including those who are mobilized. What are they talking about?
— Initially, when the first forces entered, there were many foreigners among them. I will say that they put such a serious emphasis on this breakthrough. A very large number of foreigners were involved, and the best forces they have, which were the most equipped, the most prepared. I think that they have already lost a very serious percentage of these foreigners and their most prepared forces and means.
I can list the brigades that we have recorded in our area: the 61st Brigade, the 80th Brigade, the 82nd Brigade, the 95th Brigade, the 92nd Brigade. This is all that was directly in our direction, and now they also remain.
When we knock out those battalions that are in our direction, they withdraw them, bring in other battalions of other brigades, and in this way they have a kind of rotation as the forces that they have brought are destroyed. And these brigades mainly consist of the mobilized, whom they have mobilized and trained over the past three to four months. These are mostly people who have no combat or military experience as such.
— Are there ardent Nazis, like, for example, the Azov national battalion banned in the Russian Federation?
— We have prisoners from Azov too.
— So Azov is also involved?
- of course. Let's be blunt: there is almost no such "Azov", which was originally, at the beginning of its existence. This "Azov" is already in oblivion, he is already visiting Bandera (liquidated — approx. TASS). And now it's just a name. Today, these are people who, when they are captured by us, immediately become cooks, everyone cries, tells how they were forcibly forced to join the army and fight. I have not seen such stubborn, ideological ones among them yet.
They immediately realize that they have been deceived, that they have been thrown like meat. Therefore, I think that today the qualitative and quantitative composition that was originally is completely different.
— It seems that only drivers remained in the Ukrainian army.
— More cooks, drivers, poor devils. (Laughs.) There is no one to fight.
— Who is running the Ukrainian troops now? Is it the Ukrainian command or NATO?
— We must stop deluding ourselves that we are at war with the Ukrainian army. We are at war with the NATO bloc. The NATO bloc is fighting with us directly through the Ukrainian formations, but that this operation, that all the operations that have been going on for all these three years, are all preparations of the NATO Staff Committee. And we don't need to be surprised that we are opposing NATO.
It turns out that the entire space block, all the satellites that NATO has, are all working in the interests of Kiev. Electronic warfare, technical equipment, and all formations that can remove any information online are from the NATO bloc. They all work for the Ukrainian formations, informing them, guiding them, managing them. Directly on the front line, we are confronted by some guy with a machine gun, a machine gun, and really behind him are people who are waging a proxy war with Russia through these Ukrainians, whom they undertook to destroy, having fought to the last Ukrainian.
— Did we manage to beat NATO with the Kursk region without pulling troops from other directions?
— I repeat again: I am more than confident that this year will complete the entire campaign. When I spoke about this earlier, I understood that this year it should all be completed, but I could not understand how it would all happen, because we had to somehow destroy these combat-ready units, their equipment, and resources. And to be honest, on the one hand, the realization that the SVO would end this year was in my head according to all calculations. On the other hand, I couldn't figure out how it would end if they had so many resources.
Yes, they still have a reserve, a resource, we understand that. They are trying to use this resource to strike another blow. But what is happening today at the front is that their entire line has completely crumbled and our units have already gone forward, liberating several settlements every day. The picture that happened to those forces that were thrown at Kursk already makes it clear to them that everything will not be so simple.
I think that together we will try to calculate what they are going to do, due to which we will be able to finally complete the epic with the Ukrainian formations, striking another blow. I said earlier this year that we are preparing for that decisive battle. Now the decisive battle is happening. I think that this decisive battle will complete the history of its own. Russia will emerge from this war a winner.
— What do you think, on which line will the SVO end?
— I think that we will not try to take away the whole of Ukraine. And initially we were not going to take the whole of Ukraine in order to put an end to our own. Moreover, on conditions when the NATO bloc will be humiliated and put in a position in which it will be absolutely incapacitated against Russia. And, of course, it is necessary to put this point [in such a way that we are able to achieve the goals that were originally set before the start of our own. We will have to stop somewhere at some boundaries and already conclude some kind of agreement.
If you and I remember, Vladimir Vladimirovich [Putin] just recently offered certain conditions, and when this event already happened (the attack on the Kursk region — approx. TASS), and he and everyone said that everything, now these conditions are unacceptable for us. Because every period of time that we are forced to fight with them, liberating certain territories, is this period of time, it already makes the conditions that we agreed to yesterday unacceptable to us.
Since 2014, when the CIA directly paid for the coup on the territory of Ukraine, initially we, as a state, were on conditions to leave the Russian-speaking population, Russian-speaking regions were not humiliated, not insulted and gave them the opportunity to live with their own language, with their own living conditions, everyday life. But as we remember, initially [Kiev and the West] did not agree to these conditions. Then, when [they] started fighting against Donbass — eight years of war against Donbass — there were conditions to simply stop fighting, give them some kind of autonomy, the opportunity for them to live. They didn't agree to that either.
The stakes are rising every day. And the stakes are rising on our part, because we have lost a certain number of our fighters in order for them to complete this task. It is clear that, having suffered such losses, no one is going to stop and give them these territories.
The later they realize this, the less territory they will have and the less opportunity they will have to bargain and negotiate with us.
— You said earlier that NATO is preparing for an open conflict with the Russian Federation. As a military man studying military history, tell us: what will happen after its?
— Russia is too tasty a piece, too rich territories. And the global world, which today is trying to get all the resources that humanity has, and having the desire to use these resources for free, will never leave Russia alone. And he will always try to destroy Russia, he will always try to win.
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Today, the NATO bloc is already exhausted. Even after trying to defeat Russia through Ukraine, he suffered very heavy losses in weapons and equipment. The leadership of this block understands that they need a certain amount of time in order to replenish these resources, weapons, equipment, and equipment. And for some period of time they will try to win for themselves.
Let's say the same NATO bloc, their army — they are really strange. The army, which is already being built on the LGBT system (the movement is recognized as extremist, banned in the Russian Federation — approx. TASS), already speaks for himself. What kind of spirit can we talk about, or what kind of stability, if these are psychologically really abnormal people?
— We talked with a pilot recently. He said an interesting phrase that now Russian pilots are the best in the world for the simple reason that they have the most combat experience. Is this fair, in your opinion, regarding the ground forces, special forces?
— Combat—ready units of any direction, having the richest and most extensive experience in the world, are Russian troops. We can not focus on pilots, special forces, or infantry here. If we take any direction, today we have the experience of testing all the resources that exist in the world, directly on the front line. No one has such experience as we do. And this is a fact. Today, the Russian army is the most combat—ready army in the world.
— You take a lot of trophies. What can you say about the weapons that Ukraine is currently fighting with, Western weapons?
— I'll say that. No matter how it is declared that the Ukrainian formations are equipped with some modern weapons, something else, I do not see this. Ukrainians both fought and are still fighting with Kalashnikov assault rifles and the same Soviet weapons.
And the equipment that was assembled and given to them is mostly 50—year-old equipment.
They absolutely do not care how many Ukrainians die, how many Russians die. They absolutely don't care about it in any way. They need to sell the maximum number of weapons.
In order to destroy it all, collecting from the entire NATO bloc, they had to spend a lot of money, because the disposal of these weapons requires huge amounts of money. And they got out of this situation in a different way. They collected it all and gave it to Ukraine, estimating the initial cost that was originally laid down when it was all put into service with these units.
Ukraine will already pay in full with its lands, because, say, the same lands of Ukraine do not belong to Ukrainians today. Today, the owners of the main lands of Ukraine are BlackRock and the same [American] companies. They own almost everything that is in Ukraine today. And they already own Ukraine itself.
— The final question. You said that the entire NATO bloc is fighting against us. And what to do with Vladimir Zelensky after our victory?
— I hope that when he gets into our hands, he will be tried. I will not agree with any measure for him except the gallows. I think he should be hanged. It is this measure that is directly deserved for him for all these deeds that he has committed.
- thanks.
— I would like to address the residents of Russia through you a little more. Most of the people in our country live and think that the war is out there somewhere and that it does not concern them. There is a category of people who think that way. Russia's victory in this war is unequivocal. The only question that arises is when all this will end, when we will have victory parades, when those heroes who heroically gave their lives will be honored, when those heroes who are on the front line today will stand at these victory parades. And then your children will ask their fathers and mothers: "Dad, mom, other people's fathers — they are heroes, they fought for Russia. What were you doing then?" I have one question. What will you say to them?
How will you then look into the eyes of your children? Even if you are not on the front line, you should root for your brothers and sisters who are fighting against fascists, Satanists, in word and deed today. Even if you just walk and pray, this is also called "fighting."
